Comments on: Tibet, the Force and the Triumph of Love http://magicoftheordinary.wordpress.com/2008/05/05/tibet-the-force-and-the-triumph-of-love/ Magic of the Ordinary : reflections on the mysteries Tue, 10 Nov 2009 01:51:57 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Asher Fryer http://magicoftheordinary.wordpress.com/2008/05/05/tibet-the-force-and-the-triumph-of-love/#comment-159 Asher Fryer Thu, 08 May 2008 05:18:37 +0000 http://magicoftheordinary.wordpress.com/?p=69#comment-159 Hi Peregrin, all due respect to Chinese who are slaves or oppressed by something they cannot beat or do not understand aside, I don't think it is hard to pinpoint the obvious nature of China at this point. I certainly don't believe in 'one world' or 'peace' at any price. I strongly condemn all western governments who wish to 'bring china into the fold' through compromise of their own tattered remains. They are either working with such an impulse, or are totally naive as to its maliciousness. Nor do I think it is a field of 'discussion', no offence to discussion meant. It is definitely an enemy of all things good as we understand them, and the game of political correctness and compromise and 'peace' will not end well. All are children of God, but not all are friends and allies of God, if you know what I mean. Ignorance is a cause, not an excuse, although it is easier to say that here, than over there. All things being equal, it's very complicated, and I really think that a lot is being 'accomplished' through opposition and support for China beyond what is obvious.... Hi Peregrin,
all due respect to Chinese who are slaves or oppressed by something they cannot beat or do not understand aside, I don’t think it is hard to pinpoint the obvious nature of China at this point. I certainly don’t believe in ‘one world’ or ‘peace’ at any price. I strongly condemn all western governments who wish to ‘bring china into the fold’ through compromise of their own tattered remains. They are either working with such an impulse, or are totally naive as to its maliciousness. Nor do I think it is a field of ‘discussion’, no offence to discussion meant. It is definitely an enemy of all things good as we understand them, and the game of political correctness and compromise and ‘peace’ will not end well. All are children of God, but not all are friends and allies of God, if you know what I mean. Ignorance is a cause, not an excuse, although it is easier to say that here, than over there. All things being equal, it’s very complicated, and I really think that a lot is being ‘accomplished’ through opposition and support for China beyond what is obvious….

]]> By: Peregrin http://magicoftheordinary.wordpress.com/2008/05/05/tibet-the-force-and-the-triumph-of-love/#comment-151 Peregrin Tue, 06 May 2008 23:44:17 +0000 http://magicoftheordinary.wordpress.com/?p=69#comment-151 Hi Asher, yes, I had forgotten about the red robes! The idea about 'being in the grip of of more than simple nationalism' is something a few others have mentioned privately. I am not up enough on the situation and the Chinese culture to be able to make any sort of assessment. It is an interesting field for discussion ... and before we know it we'll be talking about Hitler and Wagner and wot not :) Yes, most western support for communism came from middle young middle class people rebelling against their parents and who had no idea of what it was really about. I examined communism and the various 'socialist' youth groups when a very young man and found it all very tame and western. The only knowledgeable and genuine people were a few in their sixties and seventies. Hi Asher,

yes, I had forgotten about the red robes!

The idea about ‘being in the grip of of more than simple nationalism’ is something a few others have mentioned privately. I am not up enough on the situation and the Chinese culture to be able to make any sort of assessment. It is an interesting field for discussion … and before we know it we’ll be talking about Hitler and Wagner and wot not :)

Yes, most western support for communism came from middle young middle class people rebelling against their parents and who had no idea of what it was really about. I examined communism and the various ’socialist’ youth groups when a very young man and found it all very tame and western. The only knowledgeable and genuine people were a few in their sixties and seventies.

]]> By: Asher Fryer http://magicoftheordinary.wordpress.com/2008/05/05/tibet-the-force-and-the-triumph-of-love/#comment-150 Asher Fryer Tue, 06 May 2008 11:57:50 +0000 http://magicoftheordinary.wordpress.com/?p=69#comment-150 Personally I believe the Chinese government, apart from its typically human nature, of all those in power who try to control others, is logically doing what it believes in: atheistic communism. There is nothing more convincing than the history of communism, and its 'natural' antagonism to all things spiritual and true, being itself a subversive, anti human and (as the Qi Gong say) "anti cosmos". It's greed, hate and lack of self awareness, public brutality, total dishonesty and hypocrisy are not merely 'human', and it is hard not to believe they are in the grip of more than simple nationalism. The demiurge brooks no rivals to its 'control'. Tibet, apart from being too close to such an appetite, has many things about it which would seriously irritate such a philosophy, and Mao was not shy of saying so. It's ironic that many of those who back in the 60's supported 'communism' (their own western, sophomore version no doubt) are now supporting tibet. But once you've let the beast out of the cage... Also, only commies are allowed to 'wear' red, and it just maddens them further to see monks wearing it. :P Yours in the force :) Ash Personally I believe the Chinese government, apart from its typically human nature, of all those in power who try to control others, is logically doing what it believes in: atheistic communism. There is nothing more convincing than the history of communism, and its ‘natural’ antagonism to all things spiritual and true, being itself a subversive, anti human and (as the Qi Gong say) “anti cosmos”. It’s greed, hate and lack of self awareness, public brutality, total dishonesty and hypocrisy are not merely ‘human’, and it is hard not to believe they are in the grip of more than simple nationalism. The demiurge brooks no rivals to its ‘control’. Tibet, apart from being too close to such an appetite, has many things about it which would seriously irritate such a philosophy, and Mao was not shy of saying so. It’s ironic that many of those who back in the 60’s supported ‘communism’ (their own western, sophomore version no doubt) are now supporting tibet. But once you’ve let the beast out of the cage…

Also, only commies are allowed to ‘wear’ red, and it just maddens them further to see monks wearing it. :P

Yours in the force :)
Ash

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