Quick thought on the Golden Dawn…

Over at the Gleamings From the Dawn blog Morgan has been busy with a series of thoughtful and frank blogs on the GD. I missed most of these when they appeared cos I was on holidays blissing in the country. However, I did smart-phone reply to a couple of emails sent to me about the topics in general (why people don’t comment on blogs surprises me. Most bloggers don’t actually bite).

One of the questions concerned the ongoing back and forth bantering in the GD community and when would it stop. I replied it will never stop so long as any group, Order, teacher or faction seeks hegemony over others. Now on the surface no group outwardly states they are seeking this, but as I have pointed out before, the political jockeying over legitimacy and lineage does in fact attempt this. So for 2012 I see little change in the outward GD discourse. That said, as Nick Farrell has pointed out the GD community is actually more friendly and collegiate than it appears in the blogs and websites. Nick says eight different Orders gave him a hand on his latest book, sharing info and wot all. I agree completely with Nick – even my own little efforts on MOTO have brought me online friends and unsolicited sharing of original documents and information. Most people, even GD magicians, are nice people. 🙂

Now, I suspect if I ever sat down with Morgan and his Secret Chiefs (if they gave me a seat) we would disagree as much as agree on the finer points of the GD and magic. However, I think the essential agreement we would have is that it is fine to disagree. Now again, no Order or teacher is brazen enough to say otherwise. However, as Morgan has pointed out the reality is sometimes quite different and the resulting avalanche of accusations and abuse shows this (I’ve read too many Marvel Comics recently – apologies for the alliteration). As I have posted before, the rhetoric of binary choice being touted these days is alien to the GD and a sign of attempted hegemony. When on Facebook I maintained that one can always choose a third path, not one of the extremes (Neophyte ceremony anyone?), I was compared to an archetypal villain 🙂

You can't win, Darth. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.

Still I sometimes feel sorry for those GD folk who argue from a classic Secret Chiefs, hidden masters perspective. You see, within that paradigm the Chiefs are all wise and compassionate Masters, having perfected their humanity and lower passions. The more one approaches their exalted status, the more one becomes a little more like them, transforming base emotions and petty human feelings etc. In this paradigm those of the higher adept grades are more developed, more wise and more spiritual than those of us below them. Logically this should be even more so for someone who is the Chief’s self declared amanuensis or has them round for tea.

In the hurly burly of internet discourse this puts such people at a disadvantage. If they get angry and abusive or petty and paranoid they automatically call into question their own advertised spiritual attainment. On the other hand folk like Morgan, Nick and Pat Zalewski who have never promoted themselves within this paradigm of spiritual and moral development can say what they like, how they like. They can do the virtual equivalent of pulling their pants down and shaking their bums at whoever pisses them off (not that they ever would). Not so the spirtually exalted GD folk… they need to remain calm and nice 🙂 Of course, if these folk were really that cool, they would never even be tempted to be anything other than calm and nice. I’ve seen my Tibetan teachers roused by passion but never approaching anger, even in the face of extremity. Mostly they are sad at the state of consciousness the other folk must be in to do such extreme things.

The interesting thing though is that it seems those folk who promote the spiritual-development-Chiefs are often the most petty and silly on the net. Just look in the past MOTO comments for examples. As soon as a spiritual-moral paradigm 7=4 dude descends to name calling or lies they call into question their attainment. It must be hard for them, but even harder for their intelligent followers who have to somehow deny or reconcile the obvious non-attained actions of their attained leader. Again and again. Without such denial or forced reconciliation of course, the whole spiritual point and edifice of the Order comes crashing down like a house of cards. I learnt this the hard way at 19 as my supposed 7=4 Chief had a nervous breakdown when the boyfriend of an underage street kid he was intent on bonking took umbrage in the form of a knifepoint threat. Glad I learnt it so young…

Oh well, Happy Secular New Year MOTO folks 🙂



  1. Nick Farrell · January 2, 2012

    Jesus was allowed to get angry at the money changers and no one thought he was suspect. One of the problems I think we have is the assumption that a balanced human is Chesedic and shows no aspects of Geburah. I think that some of the more outrageous comments on the internet have been to drum up free publicity, but above all give the commenters attention.

  2. Peregrin · January 2, 2012

    Hi Nick, great comment. I think you are dead on the mark. The view that adepts are all excessive Chesed and nice stems from the TS I reckon. Still this is the ball game some folk have made for themselves, and they can’t complain when someone points out they are breaking their own rules. 🙂 The passion I mentioned from my Vajrayana teachers is, I think, the Geburah you refer to. Most of the comments I have in mind however are just plain reactive Yesod. I am still not fully convinced they are publicity shots… unless their authors are just plain stupid? 🙂

  3. Nick Farrell · January 2, 2012

    Never underestimate people’s stupidity. There are those who actually mimic Hitler and Mussolini when they give their Golden Dawn lectures because they believe that these types actually held a magical sway over the audience. Of course to today’s television based audience, they just look like Hitler and Mussolini and no one is convinced by arms which wave around like windmills.

  4. dirkt · January 2, 2012

    From my POV, Geburah is not about anger, but about restraint, judgment and strength (of will). In my personal practice, it corresponds well with the “appropriate effort” part of the noble eightfold path.. Gives you a “kick” in the appropriate direction, so to speak 😉


  5. Nick Farrell · January 2, 2012

    It is also though the idea of overcoming evil,,, righteous anger… it is that which causes the Kings of Edom to fall in the tower… although the path between Geburah and Chesed is one of balance.

  6. Deanna · January 2, 2012

    Since you use a picture of Obi Wan, lets continue with the jedi analogy to flesh out the point you are making. The jedi’s were thinkers. They were taught to suppress all the passionate emotions. But they were not complete. They had blind spots, and someone with passion (a sith) could blind side them and kick their ass. Then along came the skywalkers, and to both the jedi and sith surprise, they brought balance to the force not be defeating the other side but by incorporating elements of both sides. This isn’t overt in the movies, but if you watch Luke in RotJ you will see he uses dark side powers at Jaba’s palace.

    One can be passionate without giving into the consuming part of passion. Be the warrior that can use a spurt of anger to strike then let the anger flow away. If you let them the passionate emotions consume you. And it actually feels good to be consumed by them as you get a sense of purpose and focus. But you can’t ‘think’ straight when consumed. To use the ToL model, Strength lies between Chesed and Geburah, not at either extreme.

  7. dirkt · January 3, 2012

    For the warrior to be angry is his undoing. The sword does not hate, love or fear. It strikes.

  8. Samuel · January 3, 2012

    Dialog is a wonderful thing within the GD community. The problem is that, as you point out, in the public eye there is not much dialog, but rather a lot of posturing. Their is some back and forth that goes on, but too often both sides are entrenched in their own rhetoric and beliefs.

    I do have to agree that there are those that do not live up to the ideals that they themselves seem to espouse. It only goes to illustrate the comment that by their words and actions are adepts known.

    As usual, Peregrin, you have delivered a very thought provoking blog post. Looking forward to reading more in 2012.

    In LVX,

  9. Mike · January 6, 2012

    It seems like a lot of these posts start because people are worried about how others might see the GD community, that is based on internet posts. However has anyone thought that these sorts of squabbles or what have you might actually be somewhat useful in a way? In that they kind of give you a flavor of what’s out there, who to contact, who to avoid etc? Personally implications that I might not be doing it “right” or whatever just make me chuckle now, I don’t find them in the least threatening or anger-provoking. It just seems like the transformational results of the great work kind of make internet bickering kind of inconsequential in the end.

  10. Peregrin · January 6, 2012

    Hi Dirk – what wonderful reminders. I like the linking with Appropriate Effort very much 🙂 I think the sayiung/quote about the warriot sums it up well 🙂

  11. Peregrin · January 6, 2012

    HI Deanna,

    yes, i think there is much in the ol’ Star Wars mythology – probably why it effected so many of us when we were young. I think you express the qualities here very well, only that some folk would not use the word ‘anger’ at all, as in using a spurt of anger. But i think I know what you mean. We see this very well when Master Yoda fights 🙂 Thanks.

  12. Peregrin · January 6, 2012

    HI Mike,

    interesting ideas 🙂 Thanks for the post. Well, yes having crap out there can be good. But as I have shown in teh last post and comments, people when starting off are vulnerbale and can get hurt by it. I would rather enough sensible stuff is put up out there to match the crap 🙂 Thanks

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